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More uninformed criticism of Utah State Aggie fans in the Spectrum

March 8th, 2010 · 5 Comments · Uncategorized

This is really frustrating.

Another person has written yet another editorial to the Herald Journal complaining about the behavior of Aggie fans in the Spectrum.  The most recent editorial was by Nick Eastmond, who is apparently a professor on campus.

There have only been three editorials (by my count) complaining of fan behavior in the Spectrum and all three editorials have a common theme- they fundamentally do not understand college basketball.  Mr. Eastmond, for example, concedes that he is “not an avid basketball fan.”  Nonetheless, the editorial seems to know what an appropriate college basketball atmosphere is.

I am sure that Mr. Eastmond means well in his criticism, however, I feel that I must respond to the inaccuracies in his editorial.

The editorial begins by rebutting an earlier Herald Journal editorial this way:

The gist of the article was: It’s OK for spectators to belittle and insult their opponents because (1) that’s the way basketball is played in other places; (2) our coach is “on board” with that; and (3) our fans can make a distinction between behavior in the Spectrum and the real world, where it implied that such behavior would be unacceptable.

This is not an accurate representation of the Herald Journal editorial or the letters that were written in support of the Spectrum crowd.  The Herald Journal did not argue that the Spectrum fans behavior was acceptable because “because that’s the way basketball is played in other places.”  Far from it.  The Herald Journal correctly contrasted the behavior in the Spectrum from that which is found elsewhere:

USU fans are generally pretty tame in terms of their language. While other college basketball fans around the country sport chants that are vulgar and profane, Aggie fans’ chants are — while loud and structured — mild. Fans don’t throw objects onto the court or at players or officials. None of the organized chants include swear words. And there is rarely, if ever, violence at the Spectrum.

Simply put, the Herald Journal correctly noted that Aggie fans are less vulgar but louder and more organized than then norm in college basketball.  That is very different than saying it’s ok because everyone else does it.  Frankly, it’s pretty awesome that our crowd is both louder and less vulgar.  We should all be proud of that.

I don’t take exception with the accuracy of the statement that the crowd is loud because Stew encourages it.  This is absolutely true.

The editorial’s third contention implies that the Herald Journal advocates compartmentalization of ethics.   Again, this is not what the Herald Journal argued.  This comes down to an unfamiliarity with college basketball.  Here is what the Herald Journal argued:

In general, student fans know the difference between game-day behavior and everyday behavior. The trademarked cheers and heckling start when they enter the Spectrum and end when they leave the Spectrum.

This is not arguing that different ethics are appropriate for the Spectrum.  It’s arguing that we behave differently in different venues.  The way you behave at a BBQ, for example, is different than how you behave at Church.

Building on this theme, the editorial compares college basketball to the Winter Olympics:

Let me ask you: We just finished with the Winter Olympics in Vancouver, Canada. Would this kind of behavior be acceptable at the Olympics, winter or summer? Is that the kind of competition you would want American athletes to be part of? If American fans harassed teams from other countries, is that something you would want (possibly it would increase our athletes’ chances of winning)?

Mr. Eastmond assumes that heckling and racous behavior is inherently inappropriate. As I noted previously, this is completely false.  Our opponents love the hostility in the Spectrum.  Year after year our opponents lavish praise upon the same fans that heckle them.

Our opponents praise the Spectrum and Aggie fans because they understand what the editorial doesn’t- that heckling, loud crowds and organized chants make for great environments for both teams.  Each opponent would love nothing more than the glory of being the 14th team out of nearly 200 to beat Stew Morrill in Logan.  What a huge honor that will be!

I only included a few quotes in my letter to the Herald Journal because I was limited to 450 words, but believe me, there is a limitless supply of quotes by the opposition of how much they love the Spectrum.  For many players, the chance to win in Logan is the highlight of their season.

Mr. Eastmond tells the unfortunate story of a graduate student who sat behind the visitors bench and was heckled:

I brought this topic up in a class I taught on campus yesterday and heard sentiments worth repeating. (These were graduate students, not undergrads). One student from another country told how he had been invited to attend an Aggie basketball game, with tickets supplied by a Canadian Christian university. Because of the generosity of the hosts, he had sat in their section. He felt that the Aggie fan behavior directed toward him was aggressive, insulting and offensive, just because of where he was sitting.

This is truly unfortunate.  If it really is common place, it needs to stop. However, to impute the behavior of one or two people on 10,270 is ludicrous.  Though the visiting team was generous, this was probably not fair to the student to sit him behind the bench.  It is probable that this would have happened at any venue in America.  At the very least, the grad student should have been given a warning that it was a possibility.

Finally, the editorial wraps up his arguments with the “won’t someone puh-leeze think of the children” argument:

The second [foreign graduate student] recounted how he had taken one of his children to a game and later, when playing a game of basketball with the child, had to correct the language to state emphatically that “you suck” and “stupid” were not appropriate language on a neighborhood basketball court.

If you really think that the non-vulgar crowd at the Spectrum has the potential to corrupt your kids, you are incredibly naive.  First, your kids hear things that are ten times worse every day at school.  Hell, it might even be your kid that’s saying the stuff that’s ten times worse!  If you are worried about your child being corrupted by vulgar influences, the Spectrum really ought to be somewhere like #459 on your list.

Finally, it is not the duty of the entire world to conform their public behavior to the particular preferences of your individual parenting.  Indeed, there is an old Buddhist saying which is an appropriate response to the editorial’s “think of the children” argument:

Instead of avoiding the pain of stepping on thorns and pebbles by paving the entire planet with a smooth and soft surface, one can instead put on shoes.

In other words, if in public, you see behavior that you don’t think your kids should emulate, use the opportunity to be a parent and teach your kids.  Use it as a teaching moment.  Explain to them that in your family you don’t say “you suck” or “stupid” and why. Explain that how you behave in your family is different than how college students behave at Aggie games.

Anyway, my fear with these people remains the same. That we have a bunch of people making public complaints about something that they don’t know anything about.  My fear is that the officials at USU would capitulate to this handful of individuals and ruin something that is really special and unique.

Finally, it’s astounding to me that in one of the greatest seasons of Aggie basketball, there are still people who manage to hone in on negativity.  Seriously, that’s ridiculous!  We are Conference Champions! Relax and enjoy the ride!  Seasons like this are uncommon!

GO AGGIES!


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  • Anon

    It is Nick Eastmond. Not Nick Eastman.

  • admin

    Thanks for the heads up. Got it fixed.

  • David

    Right on man! Good post

  • ChicAggie

    The more that I think about this as a former Cache Valley resident, surprised and disappointed I am with Nick’s editorial.

    Let me ask you: We just finished running the table at home against our WAC opponents for the THIRD STRAIGHT YEAR, with the raucous Spectrum crowd getting much credit from coaches, players, and the national media. Would this level of success and positive attention be possible without the awesome and amazing environment that is the Spectrum? Would you rather have the kind of home crowd that we saw at American curling competitions in the Olympics? If Aggie fans sat on their hands the same way American fans sat on their hands at curling matches, is that something you would want (it would definitely decrease our Aggies’ chances of winning)?

    Or is there something different about going to a curling match and going to a college basketball game at one of the liveliest arenas in the country? Do we want to listen to a naive, self-professed non-avid basketball fan about what is appropriate at a college basketball arena, or coach after coach, player after player, and basketball analyst and commentator after basketball analyst and commentator praise the fans for their creativity, excitement, energy, and electric environment they help create? I offer the opinion that it makes more sense to listen to experts who have some idea what they are talking about. Comparing a college basketball arena to the Summer Olympics is like comparing a PGA tour event to a Manchester United v. Liverpool soccer match. The kind of “respect” and “sportsmanship” exhibited at a PGA event have no place at a big time soccer match. Nor is the kind of camaraderie and community spirit that the Olympics represent expected or appropriate at a college basketball arena. If it were, someone — basketball coach, college administration, members of the team, or the refs — would need to do something to change it or risk becoming a mediocre environment with a mediocre team. One wonders how many of the great players that USU has seen in recent years would have been turned off by the polite, bland, courteous, well-behaved, sterile environment Nick envisions.

    I am no longer a Cache Valley resident, but I would like to have the opportunity to enjoy the positive attention heaped upon USU without being embarrassed by the pious puritans who decry poor fan behavior just because the fans are loud and having fun. I do have a stake in the reputation of Utah State University, and I do not want people leaving Cache Valley believing it is filled with backwards, buttoned-up, uptight, old-fashioned prigs who want their basketball arenas to resemble their church meetings.

    I brought this topic up on a fan forum filled with fans who have followed the Aggies religiously — some for more than 40 years, and heard sentiments worth repeating. (These were true Aggie fans, not uptight stuffed shirts who go to a game once in a blue moon.) One fan from another state asked me “Who are these people? Why do they think that the world is sugar plums and rainbows?” He went on to state that “We are not responsible to raise your children. They need to learn that what goes on in your house doesn’t reflect on the world.” A second queried “How do people grow up in this world being so thin-skinned?? How out of touch from the real world can a person really grown up these days???” He concluded that he didn’t “get it.” Yet another fan’s initial response was “Wowie!” Upon further reflection, he added that “[t]his is so simple it’s sad. IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT….DON’T COME! We won’t have a problem selling your seat to someone else!” He then added “[w]hy am I not suprised this came from a professor? My guess is that as a teenager he got kicked off his church basketball team because he SUCKED so bad!” He thoughtfully concluded “STUPID STUPID STUPID!”

    Still another fan noted that Mr. Eastmond’s statement that “I am not an avid basketball fan, but I would like to have the opportunity to attend games without being embarrassed with fan behavior,” and then posed the question: “I wonder what the average USU hoops fan would think of your lecture? Honestly, how much stock would you put into comments made from an uninformed student walking into your class?” He then offered a solution: “stick to your area of expertise and the fantastic USU student section will stick to theirs. Seems like a graceful and respectful conclusion to me.”

    I hope that the uptight Cache Valley citizens who take no pride in the positive attention that the Aggie basketball team and its fans have brought to the University and to the community will rethink their narrow-minded tarring of Aggie fans as boorish and ugly, and embrace the good, clean fun that is the Spectrum. The Spectrum is a remarkable place to attend a basketball game, with more than a decade of Stew Morrill’s nearly unprecedented success to be proud of. The athletes competing already know that it is a privilege to represent this institution. And if Aggie fans want to remain one of the best “sixth man” in the country, they need to make sure they continue the traditions that have been entrenched over the last ten to fifteen years. How about cheering louder for the things you appreciate and keep getting inside the heads of the opponents as much as possible? Let’s be on the uphill rather than the downhill side of this discussion. (I’m not really even sure what that means, but, yes, let’s do go uphill. But, once we get to the top, let’s roll on down the other side, steamrolling the competition along the way.)

  • Terrell Baldwin

    Tom,

    Great comments!

    Terrell

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